Kyle Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I've been making my own sealant for years now. Comparing with my buddies it seems roughly as effective as Stan's at sealing and lasts far better through summer for a fraction of the price. The one thing I don't like about my recipe is that it uses regular car tire slime. My recipe: 16 oz latex mold builder 2 oz ammonia without added soap 32 oz pink RV antifreeze propylene glycol based 32 oz car tire slime Anyone have their own recipe that doesn't use tire slime? I was thinking about experimenting with Elmer's school glue which can be had by the gallon for cheap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I just buy the newest Stans, it doesn't dry out like Orange Seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I'm lazy and life is too short for me to experiment. Stan's works and a bottle lasts me more than a year. The last thing I want is to have to put a tube in because my home sealant formula was slightly off. Has anyone had their home-brew fail on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I tried a bunch of home brew sealants. I could never get them to work as consistently as Stan's and one formula basically glued the inside of the tire so badly that the tire was useless after it dried up. It was a good experiment but not worth the hassle. If you want to save money, buy basic tools and learn how to service your own brakes, suspension, build wheels, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 This made me look around the internet to see what the general consensus it. The general consensus is that there is not a general consensus. You would think by now there would be a standard home brew recipe. When I first read Kyle's recipe I thought of the little flecks I see in Orange Seal. Then looking at different recipes I see glitter as an ingredient that I suppose replicates that aspect. All very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I've been using it for years without any trouble and have probably never made the exact same batch twice. I had to look up the old Mojo thread (http://www.bikemojo.com/speak/14-austin-voodoo/95010-homemade-tubeless-sealant.html) This was the recipe that I originally got, but it seems like a lot of water: 16oz Latex mold builder 16oz Slime tubeless 16oz RV antifreeze 32oz water Then this one that doesn't use any water: 16oz mold builder 16oz slime 32 rv anti freeze Add in Kyle's above with even more slime and still no water. I've never used straight ammonia. I've played with the proportions and added water and/or antifreeze directly to the tire when the sealant seems too thick. I've used glitter, and I've used no glitter. I think that there is no general consensus on a recipe because it all works. It's not like baking a cake where your proportions need to be exact. Just mix the 3 main ingredients together and add more antifreeze or water until you have that nice creamy consistency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Bonus info: Michael's had black glitter so you can make stealth sealant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Holy hell, didn't realize how nasty this stuff was, guess you I should have been more careful in the past in those tubeless battles where stans was spraying everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I am under the impression that RV antifreeze is less toxic than conventional antifreeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, rockshins said: Holy hell, didn't realize how nasty this stuff was, guess you I should have been more careful in the past in those tubeless battles where stans was spraying everywhere. Haha, I had a tire full of stans pop off of the rim during install, and stans went EVERYWHERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, notyal said: It's not like baking a cake where your proportions need to be exact. I try to educate people all the time about cooking vs. baking. Baking is a science. Cooking is an art. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, AustinBike said: I'm lazy and life is too short for me to experiment. Stan's works and a bottle lasts me more than a year. The last thing I want is to have to put a tube in because my home sealant formula was slightly off. Has anyone had their home-brew fail on them? Change to foofy tires for EB. Change back. Change to tough foofy tires for Dragonslayer. Change back... I was being conservative in my original post, I think my sealant works hands down better than stan's. The only time I have damage that won't seal is when it's sidewall related. Edited October 30, 2019 by Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, notyal said: I've been using it for years without any trouble and have probably never made the exact same batch twice. I had to look up the old Mojo thread (http://www.bikemojo.com/speak/14-austin-voodoo/95010-homemade-tubeless-sealant.html) This was the recipe that I originally got, but it seems like a lot of water: 16oz Latex mold builder 16oz Slime tubeless 16oz RV antifreeze 32oz water Then this one that doesn't use any water: 16oz mold builder 16oz slime 32 rv anti freeze Add in Kyle's above with even more slime and still no water. I've never used straight ammonia. I've played with the proportions and added water and/or antifreeze directly to the tire when the sealant seems too thick. I've used glitter, and I've used no glitter. I think that there is no general consensus on a recipe because it all works. It's not like baking a cake where your proportions need to be exact. Just mix the 3 main ingredients together and add more antifreeze or water until you have that nice creamy consistency. I should add, I'm using automotive tubeless slime, not the bicycle specific stan's-competitor tubeless slime. I use 32 oz basically because that's one whole bottle. I think the tire slime contributes aggregate and does good things for the viscosity. I think it also has RV antifreeze properties to resist drying. I'm musing about what other properties it might have. I use the ammonia to loosen up the mold builder before I add it. I also think it contributes to longevity in the tire. The RV antifreeze is propylene glycol so it's... non-toxic? It's for use in potable water systems so I'm not concerned about it. As far as your recipes go, I always use 100% RV antifreeze instead of straight water because the RV antifreeze is premixed with water anyway. The second recipe looks very similar to mine except less slime, have you had luck with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamwa Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I'm a super DIY guy and still don't even mess with this. Good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, TheX said: Haha, I had a tire full of stans pop off of the rim during install, and stans went EVERYWHERE. LOL, yep same experience, wife was not impressed, so I took it outside and when I finally got it to seat the loud pops echoed off the concrete deck, I cheered and my neighbors thought I was a redneck shooting a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Bart said: I just buy the newest Stans, it doesn't dry out like Orange Seal. Do you mean the new Race Formula or just the regular stuff? Curious as I haven't tried the race formula, it's a little more expensive and I need a fresh bottle, not that the regular stuff doesn't work well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosmithy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 goddammit, I just switched from Stans to Orange Seal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I've never had negative results with any of it as far as sealing leaks on the trail. *knocks on wood* I am a cheap-ass, but that isn't even the whole story. It's nice to just make a shitload of it and have it on hand instead of having to go to the shop and buy a $20 bottle every few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Yosmithy said: goddammit, I just switched from Stans to Orange Seal. Good, support the local economy! Orange Seal is making an "Endurance" formula now. I don't know if it's just a marketing ploy to charge a little more, but supposedly it was designed with Texas summers in mind to stay liquid longer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Yosmithy said: goddammit, I just switched from Stans to Orange Seal. I did that last year, and I'm not having any negative effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4fun Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Yosmithy said: goddammit, I just switched from Stans to Orange Seal. Did you have issues with Stan’s? This year I switched in the opposite direction due to price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosmithy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, 4fun said: Did you have issues with Stan’s? This year I switched in the opposite direction due to price. I was actually looking for something that didn't dry out like Stans. I just figured I would try The Orange Sauce instead. I haven't pulled my tires off recently to see the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I haven't noticed the orange stuff drying out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRider3141 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Confession Time: I have tubeless wheels, stems and sealant on hand but I'm still running tubes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 If only there was a solution to both cost and drying out. Maybe one day someone will suggest something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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