Cafeend Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Hey guys, Snapped a spoke this afternoon at Brushy. Im am very certain it was due to rock impact after kicking one up hard and I see the impact on the spoke. So I wont repair this myself and my question is then do all the spoke need replaced? Or just the one. This is the original wheel and is just under 4 yrs old. Not sure how to approach this the best way. I told my wife it meant a new ride but she didnt buy that 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLemke Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Cafeend said: Hey guys, Snapped a spoke this afternoon at Brushy. Im am very certain it was due to rock impact after kicking one up hard and I see the impact on the spoke. So I wont repair this myself and my question is then do all the spoke need replaced? Or just the one. This is the original wheel and is just under 4 yrs old. Not sure how to approach this the best way. I told my wife it meant a new ride but she didnt buy that Just a new spoke. Try to replace like for like if possible. For example, if you have spaim cx-rays, replace with another cx-ray. You’ll also need a new nipple. I have a park tool TS-2 stand and a TM-1 tension meter. Happy to let you bring the rim over and use them. It’s super easy to replace a spoke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 100% on like for like. I had a wheel with different spokes and kept having trouble with them until I replaced all the spokes with the same kind (shape, gauge and butting). This was a sapim race blade spoked wheel with 14ga straight replacement spokes so it was dramatic. one thing I did was to use different color nipples on the new spokes. That way I could keep track of spokes age if more started going. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRider3141 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I had something similar happen and I brought my wheel and what was left of my spoke into the Peddler, they went through their stock until they found a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Nah, like for like is nice, but not required. As long as you match size and dimensions (gauge and butting). Fixed a lot of just one or two spoke wheels over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddbrider Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 8:32 PM, Cafeend said: Hey guys, Snapped a spoke this afternoon at Brushy. Im am very certain it was due to rock impact after kicking one up hard and I see the impact on the spoke. So I wont repair this myself and my question is then do all the spoke need replaced? Or just the one. This is the original wheel and is just under 4 yrs old. Not sure how to approach this the best way. I told my wife it meant a new ride but she didnt buy that For a couple of bucks, the Peddler will cut you a new spoke to the correct length. If you don't know the correct length, you can probably find out using any number of online spoke calculators. This is a decent one because if you are lucky enough to have a hub and rim that is on their list, you don't have to manually enter any measurements: https://spokecalculator.qbp.com/spokecalculator/ The other way to figure out the length is to just take both pieces of the broken spoke off the wheel and measure it yourself or take it to a shop and have them measure it. Also, I've replaced numerous broken spokes without having to replace the nipple. If you are running tubeless and/or inserts, replacing the nipple can add a lot of work. If the nipple isn't damaged and you are using the same size spoke, there's really no reason to tear your tire off, deal with all the sealant, remove your rim tape, and so on. Just leave the nipple in place and thread it onto the new spoke. Some people call it laziness. I call it efficiency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, olddbrider said: Also, I've replaced numerous broken spokes without having to replace the nipple. If you are running tubeless and/or inserts, replacing the nipple can add a lot of work. If the nipple isn't damaged and you are using the same size spoke, there's really no reason to tear your tire off, deal with all the sealant, remove your rim tape, and so on. Just leave the nipple in place and thread it onto the new spoke. Some people call it laziness. I call it efficiency. 100% agree. I have replaced several spokes this way, never had an issue. The only challenge is that you are somewhat bending the spoke to get it into the nipple, but I have never had a failure based on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 That would be reasonable, but I think the only place I've ever had a spoke break is at the threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kyle said: That would be reasonable, but I think the only place I've ever had a spoke break is at the threads. Same here, which is interesting b/c the argument for straight spokes is that the bend is the likely failure spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Kyle said: That would be reasonable, but I think the only place I've ever had a spoke break is at the threads. Never broken one in the threads. 80% break at the J-curve from stress and the other 20% break ~2" from the nipple from rocks getting thrown up into the spokes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosmithy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I've broken spokes twice on my Yeti within 6 months of being new. Both times were in the center of the spoke and attributed to rock strikes or nicks. First one went off like a gun shot. Could it be they were just tension too tight new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I would think that a spoke would fail at the threads in the nipple if they were over-tightened, before they would snap in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosmithy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, mack_turtle said: I would think that a spoke would fail at the threads in the nipple if they were over-tightened, before they would snap in the middle. true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I gather that ideally you should replace a broke spoke with one that has the same type of butting as the other spokes. so if the wheel is built with straight gauge (usually heavier and cheaper, and supposedly less compliant), you'd want to use another straight gauge spoke. if the wheel has double-butted spokes, try to find another DB spoke of the correct length. if you have to mix spoke gauges, keep that in mind when you tension the spokes. the tension on the odd spoke might feel different on the tension of other spokes to have the same actual tension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinerider Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Speaking of spokes - put new tires on the bike and noticed this. Probably 10-15% of the spokes look like this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 That is not good. Had that on my Niner Rip 9. New rims. There is no other way to address that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, mack_turtle said: I gather that ideally you should replace a broke spoke with one that has the same type of butting as the other spokes. so if the wheel is built with straight gauge (usually heavier and cheaper, and supposedly less compliant), you'd want to use another straight gauge spoke. if the wheel has double-butted spokes, try to find another DB spoke of the correct length. if you have to mix spoke gauges, keep that in mind when you tension the spokes. the tension on the odd spoke might feel different on the tension of other spokes to have the same actual tension. That's exactly what meant when I said like for like. My spokes were all over the place to keep the wheel true and I kept breaking spokes until I replaced them all with the right type. Mine usually break with a hard side load...last few times has been at LGT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Shinerider said: Speaking of spokes - put new tires on the bike and noticed this. Probably 10-15% of the spokes look like this. 32 spoke wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinerider Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 11 hours ago, AntonioGG said: 32 spoke wheel? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinerider Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Shinerider said: Speaking of spokes - put new tires on the bike and noticed this. Probably 10-15% of the spokes look like this. Oh yeah, and heading to Bentonville in 48 hours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddbrider Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Shinerider said: Oh yeah, and heading to Bentonville in 48 hours! Sent you a PM. Depending on what you need, I have a friend who has a spare rear wheel he wants to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Chuck, I have a 142mm and 100mm King wheel set you can borrow. I do have the 10mm adapter to make the front wheel boost, but if your frame is not 142mm it is not gonna work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Shinerider said: Oh yeah, and heading to Bentonville in 48 hours! What Rim is it? I have a decent pile of take off rims from recent rebuilds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinerider Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, olddbrider said: Sent you a PM. Depending on what you need, I have a friend who has a spare rear wheel he wants to sell. Responded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinerider Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Mattlikesbikes said: What Rim is it? I have a decent pile of take off rims from recent rebuilds. RaceFace AR35 Offset 29er | 35mm inner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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