AustinBike Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Oh, I get it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, AustinBike said: Oh, I get it.... No, it's all about giving that small percentage of riders with medical conditions one last feeling of freedom. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Who'd a thunk a little engine could... Cause all this disruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) It's like worse than an idea for a print magazine. Edited February 20, 2020 by RidingAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Okay... Come on now... Settle down... I'm kidding around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Do the local enduros have an e-class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sluggo said: Do the local enduros have an e-class? There was a single rider in the e-bike class at the Banduro. He raced on a regular bike first, then went back and rode the 8 stages over again on an e-bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Winner of the pro class at the last RPR race did the same. He won both the acoustic and ebike class. Ebikes are going the way of front suspension, rear suspension, big wheels, tubeless, droppers, 1x drivetrains... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Sluggo said: Winner of the pro class at the last RPR race did the same. He won both the acoustic and ebike class. Ebikes are going the way of front suspension, rear suspension, big wheels, tubeless, droppers, 1x drivetrains... If you're fast, you're fast. I'm not fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, notyal said: I'm not fast. We have this in common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Bug Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) We're doing a tour this spring with Western Spirit Cycling Adventures. I want to see south central Utah up close without the headache of putting together an itinerary and planning out gas, food, water for a long trip in a remote area. Nothing challenging, lots of gravel grinding, rough two-track roads and some pavement. Just checking the website, I noticed this spring there is an e-bike option for the trip we booked. This is the kind of trip where an e bike will allow riders of different fitness levels to participate; however, those who bring e-bikes will be charged $45/day extra. Wondering if they'll have to schlep along a generator to charge the e-bikes for the three nights we'll be camping away from electricity. Most of these outfits have big racks and transport bikes on the roof of a van; that's not possible with e bikes -- too heavy. Edited February 22, 2020 by June Bug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, June Bug said: Wondering if they'll have to schlep along a generator to charge the e-bikes for the three nights we'll be camping away from electricity. Most of these outfits have big racks and transport bikes on the roof of a van; that's not possible with e bikes -- too heavy. That could be interesting. Half of the riders might have to eat the other half to keep going, rather than lug around e-bikes with dead batteries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, mack_turtle said: That could be interesting. Half of the riders might have to eat the other half to keep going, rather than lug around e-bikes with dead batteries. I just got visions of a post-apocalyptic dystopia where the robots cannibalize their e-bike brethren to reach the last remaining humans who are camped out in remote areas of Utah with their traditional pedal bikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, notyal said: I just got visions of a post-apocalyptic dystopia where the robots cannibalize their e-bike brethren to reach the last remaining humans who are camped out in remote areas of Utah with their traditional pedal bikes. The Terminatike. Edited February 20, 2020 by RidingAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Bug Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, notyal said: I just got visions of a post-apocalyptic dystopia where the robots cannibalize their e-bike brethren to reach the last remaining humans who are camped out in remote areas of Utah with their traditional pedal bikes. This scenario was not mentioned in Western Spirit Cycling Adventure's tour description, or, in fact, anywhere on their website. I'm going to practice saying, "I welcome our new robot overlords!" just in case. 8 hours ago, mack_turtle said: That could be interesting. Half of the riders might have to eat the other half to keep going, rather than lug around e-bikes with dead batteries. Mash up of Andes Survivors + Mad Max 2020 pedal edition! Edited February 21, 2020 by June Bug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 June Bug brings up an interesting point about tours. I can see where ebikes could be an interesting option for tours, but if one person has a tech failure and their 45 pound bike slows down the whole group, I could see some real issues springing up. I wonder how they deal with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, AustinBike said: June Bug brings up an interesting point about tours. I can see where ebikes could be an interesting option for tours, but if one person has a tech failure and their 45 pound bike slows down the whole group, I could see some real issues springing up. I wonder how they deal with that. Same result as if someone's electronic shifter has tech issues. You are left with a bike that you can still pedal but with a stiff penalty. What could be worse? How about if a non-tech component like a wheel blows up and the bike is completely un-ridable. Charging on a multi-day tour is a good question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bike problems are inevitable. Electronics and technology just decrease the MTBF. That is why 1x and singlespeed exist. Simplicity rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddbrider Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 What I really want to know is whether flats or clipless pedals are better for ebikes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, olddbrider said: What I really want to know is whether flats or clipless pedals are better for ebikes... Hopefully there'll be a print magazine with that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, olddbrider said: What I really want to know is whether flats or clipless pedals are better for ebikes... Inquiring minds want to know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 12:04 PM, June Bug said: We're doing a tour this spring with Western Spirit Cycling Adventures. I want to see south central Utah up close without the headache of putting together an itinerary and planning out gas, food, water for a long trip in a remote area. Nothing challenging, lots of gravel grinding, rough two-track roads and some pavement. Just checking the website, I noticed this spring there is an e-bike option for the trip we booked. This is the kind of trip where an e bike will allow riders of different fitness to participate; however, those who bring e-bikes will be charged $45/day extra. Wondering if they'll have to schlep along a generator to charge the e-bikes for the three nights we'll be camping away from electricity. Most of these outfits have big racks and transport bikes on the roof of a van; that's not possible with e bikes -- too heavy. How many miles is the tour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Bug Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sluggo said: How many miles is the tour? It varies by day and each day usually has a combination of riding and hiking; max riding option is 35 miles on the longest day; the shortest day is 10 miles. Mr. JB prefers riding to hiking, and they've assured us that he can pedal some extra miles. Itinerary here. It's considered a beginner friendly tour. We'll meet the tour van in Hanksville, rather than Moab. Big Detour Thread Drift and NOT E-BIKE RELATED CONTENT! A few years ago we went to a little bike festival put on by local mountain bikers in the Castle Dale area of Utah; festival central was the Wedge Overlook to the Little Grand Canyon of the San Rafael River, the start of the Goodwater Rim Trail. The MECCA club (Mostly Emory County Cycling Association) is a totally homegrown club that sprang up in the middle of nowhere, Utah, when a few folks in each little community discovered that they all like to mountain bike. The founding member, the late and very jovial Lamar Guymon, was the Castle Dale sheriff for many years. The small but very well organized fest had a subtle wholesome and very friendly vibe; I saw no beer at any time and there was zero carousing. It wasn't prohibited or even mentioned; these folks are, I assume, all Mormons or Mormon adjacent. They are very good at sociable and mellow. Anyway, the MECCA fall festival is at the Wedge Overlook, the spring festival is based in Green River, Utah. The timing is such that we can do the Green River festival on Friday, Sat, Sun, head to Hanksville and maybe ride at Goblin Valley State Park on the way, then meet the tour van on Monday in Hanksville. Win win. Anyway, I thought I'd throw out the MECCA bike fest because it would be a great event for families with kids or just a fun relaxing interlude. bikepacking.com has a route in south central Utah that's a bit north of where we'll be. Stone House Lands Loop Water caches are highly recommended. One thing to consider relative to mileage is that there is elevation (our tour route is 5,000 to 8,000 ft elevation) and lots and LOTS of cumulative elevation on some of these roads. Edited February 22, 2020 by June Bug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxagent Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/21/2020 at 4:21 AM, AustinBike said: June Bug brings up an interesting point about tours. I can see where ebikes could be an interesting option for tours, but if one person has a tech failure and their 45 pound bike slows down the whole group, I could see some real issues springing up. I wonder how they deal with that. How about the tour where the 300 lb rider bonks on the 10 mile day. Nobody wants to tow him and his bike up any of the climbs. MTBF for some of these kind of riders is less than an hour. I think the answer to the bonked rider and the dead ebike and the dead pedal bike is the same - sag wagons. I think sag wagons are required on any of these kind of tours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, June Bug said: It varies by day and each day usually has a combination of riding and hiking; max riding option is 35 miles on the longest day; the shortest day is 10 miles. Mr. JB prefers riding to hiking, and they've assured us that he can pedal some extra miles. Itinerary here. It's considered a beginner friendly tour. We'll meet the tour van in Hanksville, rather than Moab. Big Detour Thread Drift and NOT E-BIKE RELATED CONTENT! A few years ago we went to a little bike festival put on by local mountain bikers in the Castle Dale area of Utah; festival central was the Wedge Overlook to the Little Grand Canyon of the San Rafael River, the start of the Goodwater Rim Trail. The MECCA club (Mostly Emory County Cycling Association) is a totally homegrown club that sprang up in the middle of nowhere, Utah, when a few folks in each little community discovered that they all like to mountain bike. The founding member, the late and very jovial Lamar Guymon, was the Castle Dale sheriff for many years. The small but very well organized fest had a subtle wholesome and very friendly vibe; I saw no beer at any time and there was zero carousing. It wasn't prohibited or even mentioned; these folks are, I assume, all Mormons or Mormon adjacent. They are very good at sociable and mellow. Anyway, the MECCA fall festival is at the Wedge Overlook, the spring festival is based in Green River, Utah. The timing is such that we can do the Green River festival on Friday, Sat, Sun, head to Hanksville and maybe ride at Goblin Valley State Park on the way, then meet the tour van on Monday in Hanksville. Win win. Anyway, I thought I'd throw out the MECCA bike fest because it would be a great event for families with kids or just a fun relaxing interlude. bikepacking.com has a route in south central Utah that's a bit north of where we'll be. Stone House Lands Loop Water caches are highly recommended. One thing to consider relative to mileage is that there is elevation (our tour route is 5,000 to 8,000 ft elevation) and lots and LOTS of cumulative elevation on some of these roads. Sounds like Mr. JB is damn lucky to have such an awesome riding partner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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