Barry Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Albert said: True, I think I've only done that once the entire time I've lived here. 😄 And at least you can get water at a few places, such as Tejas Camp, so that helps. Right. And literally every park along the way has a spigot...except Overlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Barry said: Except you're always next to the lake and an easy way to cool off. Yeah, except that the only thing worse than the LGT beat-down is the LGT beat-down with a soaking wet chamois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I've found some pretty secluded swim spots there... 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I cannot unsee that in my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Well, like I said in the other thread... On 8/15/2021 at 5:51 PM, Barry said: Glad to motivate, however it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I think I'll ride a loop at Georgetown this weekend. Any problems with starting at 5am with lights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 15 hours ago, Trailrider said: I think I'll ride a loop at Georgetown this weekend. Any problems with starting at 5am with lights? I'd just be careful if there's any dew out there that might make things slippery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) That is a good point. But I rode Government Canyon in the rain recently so my skills have been sharpened. An odd thing I found, it would be a federal misdemeanor to carry a 9mm on this trail. Edited August 21, 2021 by Trailrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Albert said: I'd just be careful if there's any dew out there that might make things slippery. I've also been in proximity of several rattlesnakes out there. One got a dog and one was the loudest that I have ever heard in my life. My guess is that they might be easier to recognize in the daytime (light) hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Those rocks make things much slower at night. You certainly need both a good bar and helmet light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRIDER Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I rode out there once at night and it seemed much harder to navigate in the dark compared to brushy. Parts of the trail are not as defined because it's just rock . I had to stop several times to backtrack to find the trail again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, JRIDER said: I rode out there once at night and it seemed much harder to navigate in the dark compared to brushy. Parts of the trail are not as defined because it's just rock . I had to stop several times to backtrack to find the trail again. I've had to do the same thing in the daytime in one particular section of the trail out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAmI Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 10:39 AM, Albert said: True, I think I've only done that once the entire time I've lived here. 😄 And at least you can get water at a few places, such as Tejas Camp, so that helps. I don't understand how one can consume a whole 3 liter CamelBak of water in a 3 - 4hour loop at LGT. I'll stop on the second lap to refill but haven't ran out on a lap yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 hours ago, WhoAmI said: I don't understand how one can consume a whole 3 liter CamelBak of water in a 3 - 4hour loop at LGT. I'll stop on the second lap to refill but haven't ran out on a lap yet. I've found it to be a given in the 95+ heat that I consume a liter an hour on rides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 If the maximum distance between refill points at LGT is 10 miles, and I average 10 mi/hr, I only need one water bottle for the ride. Given a safety factor of two, that is two water bottles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I need 2 bottles per hour in the summer to not get behind. I can do with 1 per hour but I'll have to catch up over the days after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 We did a wheels down 10am LGT loop out there this time last yr and about half way around we stopped to take a break from the relentless chunky gnarlyness of the place and see a pretty large Rattlesnake just hanging out on the trail, perfectly camo with the rocks and terrain right in front of us. The rest of the ride I felt like I was continuously looking for snakes and missing my lines and just thinking, get us outa here. With the Aug heat, we rated that place as, "The hottest mtb ride ever"and decided to try it again in cooler weather nex time. We were having post ride beers and talking about how weird it was to never see a single human the whole lap and how bad it would be to have a heat situation/bad bonk way back there. I rate this trail as the,"Hottest" due to exposure and mostly slow going trying to pick lines thru the ass pounding chunkyness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 19 hours ago, WhoAmI said: I don't understand how one can consume a whole 3 liter CamelBak of water in a 3 - 4hour loop at LGT. I'll stop on the second lap to refill but haven't ran out on a lap yet. Everyone is different, and for me it really depends on how hot and/or humid it is. If it's relatively cool, one three liter bladder is more than enough for me. But if it's hot, I'll usually refill at Tejas to help ensure I won't run out of water. Assuming I'm starting at Cedar Breaks or Overlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 20 hours ago, JRIDER said: I rode out there once at night and it seemed much harder to navigate in the dark compared to brushy. Parts of the trail are not as defined because it's just rock . I had to stop several times to backtrack to find the trail again. I think I've only ridden some of the northern part of LGT at night (Overlook to Hogg or Russell and back, if even that far). I've always wanted to do a complete lap at night, would be fun. I find that I ride a bit faster on trails at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 21 hours ago, AustinBike said: I've also been in proximity of several rattlesnakes out there. One got a dog and one was the loudest that I have ever heard in my life. My guess is that they might be easier to recognize in the daytime (light) hours. I've seen rattlesnakes twice between Hogg and Overlook. During the day, snake just sunning itself on the trail. They seem to be pretty stubborn and don't like to move without a lot of coaxing. I saw a snakeskin hanging from a tree between Cedar Breaks and Cedar Hollow. That's always a bit disturbing. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) I started at daybreak and finished at 11am. Pretty good trail. Has its moments. After 10 it was hot af and theres no refill on the south side. With two bottles, I did run out about 5 miles from the end (Tejas). I did clockwise. There is water at Overlook park. Water fountain at the bathrooms. Definitely a trail for heat casualties. But the only casualty was my rear hub. Edited August 22, 2021 by Trailrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAmI Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 15 hours ago, AntonioGG said: I need 2 bottles per hour in the summer to not get behind. I can do with 1 per hour but I'll have to catch up over the days after. Assuming a 32 ounce bottle, two bottles are two ounces short of two liters, so you're stating that you drink two liters an hour. I know that everyone is different. I consume about 1/2 of that. Yesterday, for example, I rode to CF at 8 a.m., rode the trails, and rode back for a total of almost 31 miles with a moving time of 3:33 and still had cold water in my 3 liter CamelBak bladder. I do start with about 1/3 of it frozen before filling it completely. Oh, and I don't use bottles, though I've been considering an electrolyte drink. I do consume blocks and/or gels with electrolytes in them, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, WhoAmI said: Assuming a 32 ounce bottle, two bottles are two ounces short of two liters, so you're stating that you drink two liters an hour. I know that everyone is different. I consume about 1/2 of that. Yesterday, for example, I rode to CF at 8 a.m., rode the trails, and rode back for a total of almost 31 miles with a moving time of 3:33 and still had cold water in my 3 liter CamelBak bladder. I do start with about 1/3 of it frozen before filling it completely. Oh, and I don't use bottles, though I've been considering an electrolyte drink. I do consume blocks and/or gels with electrolytes in them, so there's that. I think most standard bike bottles (I'm partial to Specialized) are 25oz or so, the longer ones are 28oz. We're talking riding in the heat which for me is when the day is hot but dryer, which means after noon (and for me preferably after 2pm). I prefer that because my sweat will evaporate and cool my core vs when it feels cooler but the sweat doesn't evaporate which feels awful. At LGT starting at 8am in the summer I can do it with a 3L Osprey pack of water and a 25oz bottle with concentrated Infinit (think super salty more liquid goo). Like others have posted, I do refill just in case when there's an opportunity. Yesterday I rode from home to SN, did some of SN then rode back to meet my wife at a landscaping place. 2:54 moving time (3:15 elapsed, lots of stoplights which is the worst part) and just short of 34 miles. I chugged 2 pint glasses of ice water at home before leaving and drank only 2 bottles while riding. I had a 3rd bottle that I didn't touch. What I really wanted was ice water which I would have complemented the Infinit mix with. I'm pretty aware of what I need to drink b/c of 24 hour racing with some of those races actually hitting high 90's in the afternoon and then getting pretty cool at night. For sure I don't drink 2 bottles an hour ever hour for 24 hours but I do shoot for 1 hour per hour then supplement with water during the very hot hours of the afternoon. I also know hydration and nutrition have a mental element to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 The human body is only 25% efficient, so if a strong rider is putting out an average of 250W for a ride, he has to dump an average of 750W of waste heat through convection and evaporative cooling. A weak rider putting out 150W only has to dump 450W of heat. So there can be a big difference in how much coolant is needed from rider to rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAmI Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Just now, Trailrider said: The human body is only 25% efficient, so if a strong rider is putting out an average of 250W for a ride, he has to dump an average of 750W of waste heat through convection and evaporative cooling. A weak rider putting out 150W only has to dump 450W of heat. So there can be a big difference in how much coolant is needed from rider to rider. Yep, I like 75 to 150 watts, though my peak power is likely much more. Ang I don't think I'm a weak(er) rider. I've got some top 10 segments on Lake Georgetown and even had a KOM for a while. Not bad for 53 y.o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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