RonSurly Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe you’d like it better if weighed less? 30 lbs for modern bikes is light but if riding tech where having to lift front/back up ledges/using a lot of arm strength. I prefer a lighter bike. Heavy modern fs bikes on buff single track or rough fast downhills/jumps are another thing and no problem maybe/probably better in that regard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, RonSurly said: Maybe you’d like it better if weighed less? 30 lbs for modern bikes is light but if riding tech where having to lift front/back up ledges/using a lot of arm strength. I prefer a lighter bike. Heavy modern fs bikes on buff single track or rough fast downhills/jumps are another thing and no problem maybe/probably better in that regard 30 pounds is light for a FS bike with a huge gear range. This is a bare-bones XC hardtail with one gear. I had a similar feeling from the Niner ROS9 that I ride for a few weeks. It was a tank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy R Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 hours ago, mack_turtle said: I put the frame up for sale just in case it gets any interest. I could get lucky but I need to learn to be content with what I have. It's very unlikely that I'll sell it and have any cash leftover to buy something different, so that's probably a bad idea. I found your frame on Marketplace. If you sold it for your asking price, for not much more I'd offer you my Banshee Paradox V3. It's a large, however, so likely wouldn't fit you. To be honest, I absolutely love that bike, but wanted to go with sliding dropouts for single-speeding. I'd even include a SS tensioner. 😉 But seriously, I bet you could get a good deal on a new Paradox frame on Pinkbike these days. It's aluminum, but is surprisingly comfortable and I felt it handled Austin terrain super well. It easily fit 29x2.6 on 35i rims, but I also fit 27.5x2.8s on 45i rims so plenty of cush if you're so inclined. Anyway, sorry the Marino didn't work out for you. I've been eyeing their full sus and thinking it'd be fun to build a super budget big travel enduro bike, but like you, I've already blown my bike budget for 2023. Oh, who am I kidding... My bike budget is like the national deficit. I'll just increase it when the time comes! LOL Best, Tommy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 There's a good chance that all this bike needs is a rider with a different attitude. I doubt anyone is going to buy it from me, but I put it up just in case. It's seriously over-built for me though. I'm 165 pounds and dropping another 5-10 pounds in the next few weeks. I'm sure that someone with an extra 100 pounds on me would find this bike to be just right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonSurly Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If money is an issue, here’s the frame I’m using. No complaints been great https://www.amazon.com/Gravity-Deadeye-Frameset-Unbranded-Mountain/dp/B0B3JTGMZ7/ref=mp_s_a_1_16?crid=25H5GFC1RIFQ8&keywords=bikes+direct+frame&qid=1676648654&sprefix=bikes+direct+frame%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RonSurly said: If money is an issue, here’s the frame I’m using. No complaints been great https://www.amazon.com/Gravity-Deadeye-Frameset-Unbranded-Mountain/dp/B0B3JTGMZ7/ref=mp_s_a_1_16?crid=25H5GFC1RIFQ8&keywords=bikes+direct+frame&qid=1676648654&sprefix=bikes+direct+frame%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-16 That would probably be a downgrade from the Karate Monkey I just sold. None of my parts would fit on it. Edited February 17, 2023 by mack_turtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4fun Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I’m not seeing the frame on marketplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4fun said: I’m not seeing the frame on marketplace. More of a feeler post than anything else, but it's here: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1412970172783697/?mibextid=dXMIcH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4fun Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Thanks, I knew you fit shorter bikes than me. At 480 reach it would be fun for me to try. Edited February 17, 2023 by 4fun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbike85 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 3:58 PM, mack_turtle said: when I pulled it out of the box and discovered that it weighs nearly seven pounds, I'm pretty oblivious to frame weights alone. Do you have a full build weight out of curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bestbike85 said: I'm pretty oblivious to frame weights alone. Do you have a full build weight out of curiosity. Over 31 pounds for a bike with one gear for a 165-pound rider. I had a good time riding it today, but it wears me out. I'm reconsidering my current attempt to lose weight. Edited February 19, 2023 by mack_turtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbike85 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 minute ago, mack_turtle said: Over 31 pounds for a bike with one gear for a 165-pound rider. I had a good time riding it today, but it wears me out. I'm reconsidering my current attempt to lose weight. Ooff. Yea, I'm with you. I'm 190 and anything over 30 that requires real pedaling is fatiguing to me. Good luck with your situation. Hope you get a buyer and find a frame that works next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 9 hours ago, mack_turtle said: Over 31 pounds for a bike with one gear for a 165-pound rider. I had a good time riding it today, but it wears me out. I'm reconsidering my current attempt to lose weight. Yeah, I am ~1 pound under you in bike weight for full squish and gears. Good ride yesterday I think fuel was more of a challenge than bike weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 minute ago, AustinBike said: Yeah, I am ~1 pound under you in bike weight for full squish and gears. Good ride yesterday I think fuel was more of a challenge than bike weight. I was certainly under-fueled yesterday for a BCGB beatdown. I need to get stronger, but damn. Everything hurts. Someone told me that the bike-to-rider weight ratio is off, and it could be more fun to fix that by gaining 90 pounds instead of losing a few pounds on the bike. give me the carbs! In the meanwhile, I'm going to swap the 19t cog in the back for a 20t so I can spin it up a little easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Yeah, I was running an 18t for years and just swapped to 20t when I thought SSTX would be at RPR. Haven’t gone back to 18t yet, may not. Screw it, I’m old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 If you have a 30# SS, the 7lb frame is only a little of the problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Mattlikesbikes said: If you have a 30# SS, the 7lb frame is only a little of the problem. I don't know what that means, but none of the parts on this bike are particularly heavy. the 7 pound, 3 ounce frame, however, is quite a bit heavier than anything I've ever owned, and I had a ROS9 at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Just now, mack_turtle said: I don't know what that means, but none of the parts on this bike are particularly heavy. the 7 pound, 3 ounce frame, however, is quite a bit heavier than anything I've ever owned, and I had a ROS9 at one point. I've got a steel SS that's 21#. Probably a 4# frame. Rigid carbon fork but nothing else strangely light. Even with a suspension fork and 3# of extra frame, you've still got a few lbs of extra you could lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mattlikesbikes said: I've got a steel SS that's 21#. Probably a 4# frame. Rigid carbon fork but nothing else strangely light. Even with a suspension fork and 3# of extra frame, you've still got a few lbs of extra you could lose. I have a rigid fork option. it's still quite heavy, and without the benefit of not beating me up so much. Industry Nine rear wheel, 28 spokes all around, nothing else on the bike is particularly heavy. that stiff, heavy frame, however, makes a difference. I honestly don't know where else to make this bike more tolerable. Edited February 19, 2023 by mack_turtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Mattlikesbikes said: I've got a steel SS that's 21#. Probably a 4# frame. Rigid carbon fork but nothing else strangely light. Even with a suspension fork and 3# of extra frame, you've still got a few lbs of extra you could lose. According to the interwebs my Vassago is 4.98 pounds. I have never weighed the full bike but I am guessing, with a Fox fork and a dropper that I am just under 24. While a few more pounds does not seem like a wildly different amount, when you factor it into pulling the bike over ledges, etc, then that extra weight starts to matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, AustinBike said: According to the interwebs my Vassago is 4.98 pounds. I have never weighed the full bike but I am guessing, with a Fox fork and a dropper that I am just under 24. While a few more pounds does not seem like a wildly different amount, when you factor it into pulling the bike over ledges, etc, then that extra weight starts to matter. I think this is what people leave out when they say "bike weight doesn't matter." just pedaling the bike up a hill is one thing, but wrangling extra pounds up and over endless Barton Creek rock ledges takes its toll after a few hours. I love that terrain, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, mack_turtle said: I think this is what people leave out when they say "bike weight doesn't matter." just pedaling the bike up a hill is one thing, but wrangling extra pounds up and over endless Barton Creek rock ledges takes its toll after a few hours. 100% it matters in exactly the way you describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 It does and it doesn't. My FS SS is about 30#. I've got it geared well and can climb anything all day long. Am I more nimble on my rigid 21# SS, sure. End of the day I think you could get that bike lighter, but it might not matter. It not being the right bike is firmly affixed in your head, which is understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Wr + Wb = total weight. The combined center of gravity will remain constant unless you use some of your power (vertical) to raise the cg. The larger the Wr/Wb ratio, the higher you can "lift" the bike. Edited February 20, 2023 by AntonioGG clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotdurt Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 This is exactly why I stopped weighing my stuff, it gets in your head. Put away the scale and be free... It's also why I stopped using a computer (in the old days) and don't use Strava; riding is so much more enjoyable when your head isn't cluttered and stressed with numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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