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"Billy Goat", and not "Old Goat" which was his actual nickname? Maybe another Wilco official's overreach, because "Old" would be ageist? He was a great guy, was always willing to give a hand, and would give you the shirt off his back, so he definitely deserves recognition and is missed dearly. Glad this old dream of a trail was finally realized.

Thread resurrection - Regarding the Toro Grande Expansion I recently contacted City of CP works and they said there is no date planned to break ground for Toro Grande South is just conceptual and budgeted between 2023 and 2028, initial planning with no surveying even done yet. I am planning a new loop between Church and Deadwood and want to get at least a year out of it if I do the work. I am not expecting developers to start until the city builds the road extension. Given that New Hope extension is well underway a betting man would say the North extension of Toro Grande will be first, especially give that the Indigo Ridge development area has expanded and rezoning to include houses along the New Hope area has recently been proposed. Now, that said there is brand new survey marks on the derelict county road (178) between Toro Grande and Raley Road and the city crews recently cleaned up all the illegal dumping on other end of 178 by the Sanctuary - this latter part could have been advised by the Fire Dept/Forestry though in light of recent fires and that dumping could impede crews.

Not really, it was completely optional and you'd actually have pretty much intentionally steer to it. . Plus, people are dumba$$es and do dumb shite all the time.

Repair the "divet" left behind would be my thought. that rock is not a gating feature, it's not a trail feature, its purpose is nil. In fact that fence post there would suggest that is the gate boundary and the rock is superfluous. The OG line that was there was way more challenging, so sanitization that was done to that area was sanctioned work...that rock doesn't represent a challenge. Just my 2 cents. Now that I suggested that I imagine Ronan will put it back with concrete 😉

I would say the preference is entirely up to you. I prefer the flow from the "bottom", which is by the gate. I simply think it flows better that way. The new Hawg Bawg alt line IMO, flows well both directs, but slightly better from the "upper" entrance.

Suburban Ninja trail system.

Enjoy! Glad to hear, not surprised 😉

Go ride Hawg Jaw, see what you think. There is an alternate line that will likely become the preferred line. YW

My rant was a gripe and education. This is not a solution, this is a half-measure that IS potentially dangerous and costly. If these logs are placed without being secured they will (ARE) failing to stay put. The will become impalement hazardous - impaling people, wheels, and derailleurs, etc. That said, no, I am not sabotaging this "work", I haven't touched this crap, except to roll over it.

Yep, just a tad. We didn't walk everything, but we replaced the first and middle bridges, so at least you can access all the trails. The big span bridge added for the race series will need a while to be replaced, and the low water crossing on TLC is only a frame, no decking, but a decent MTBer can manage it. I imagine there will be a few more trees down along the trail, today our focus was on the bridges.

So the Chainless section - specifically before the Cradle was earmarked for significant rework - YEARS ago. Josh and I knew it was getting bad and would need work soon. Since I am no longer the steward and not planning to work out there... you can give feedback to Logan. There is some room for a slight reroute, but I think that eroded area could be "built up and armored". I thought it might also be a neat place for wood. I've always thought a wood option at Truth or Dare would be cool too.

Chainless isn't a feature, more of a sections of trail (an there is a subtitle "Chainless" - in the video and he's embedded it with the timestamp - so it should start on Chainless. The most notable portion is when it 90 downhill, off camber on a slab at the end. I assume the reference is riding it W to E (opposite of the video). Making that 90 uphill that is tough to ride...though the very top before the Cradle has always been tough. Hell, I built that shite I haven't have ridden all of DD in quite a while.

Yep. I manually "replicated" the new segment here in blue. It's WAY too wet today - do not ride. I rode only the new segment since it was not exposed dirt at all yet. When SN is good to go, definitely ride the new trail - it needs wheels down. If you ride the boat trail, respect the blockage of the whopping 7 yards of "lost trail".

Take a left before the "big hill" with the overlook (pretty much only one), The intersection has rocks in the shape of heart on the ground. I start many of my ride ON that trail 😉 I cross the creek from the east when I ride from my house, this is basically my backyard.

Ninja is 100% NOT ready. Very wet out there. But hey, there is .5 miles NEW along the Boat trail as of 3:30 today.