Seths Pool Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, RidingAgain said: Now... Where do we go from here? you get a FR512 membership, and come help me dig 🙂 and also come get your chainring! Edited December 31, 2018 by Seths Pool 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: you get a FR512 membership, and come help me dig 🙂 and also come get your chainring! LOL... Nice... Proactive, I like that. I'll see if I can swing by today. And I'm always up for working on trails... Just not on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: you get a FR512 membership, It's only the fourth page of his thread, let's not rush him. I just joined FR512, great way to start the new year. Been a member of ARR for two years now. Let's see, that's $129.00 a year for BOTH. Pretty damn cheap really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, RidingAgain said: Now... Where do we go from here? You tell us which one you joined 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, ATXZJ said: You tell us which one you joined Not something you need to concern your immature mind with, ATXZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 On 12/30/2018 at 11:00 AM, ATXZJ said: So after all the BS, which one did you choose? BTW... Sad to see your immaturity popping its ugly head up again in your above comment. Lots of good productive speaking on this thread... But you think to call it BS. Unfortunately, it seems your vanity knows no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, RidingAgain said: Not something you need to concern your immature mind with, ATXZ. Translated means "neither". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, RidingAgain said: BTW... Sad to see your immaturity popping its ugly head up again in your above comment. Lots of good productive speaking on this thread... But you think to call it BS. Unfortunately, it seems your vanity knows no end. Blarf.... Its a simple f@ckin request. After the bandwith this "question" of which club to join has consumed, is it unreasonable to ask which one you chose? Waiting for you to pivot to victim mode in 3....2....1...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ATXZJ said: Blarf.... Its a simple f@ckin request. After the bandwith this "question" of which club to join has consumed, is it unreasonable to ask which one you chose? Waiting for you to pivot to victim mode in 3....2....1...... haha blarf.. im gonna start using that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Maybe he has to sell the used shoes he listed yesterday, THEN he's gonna pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheX said: Maybe he has to sell the used shoes he listed yesterday, THEN he's gonna pay up. Dare to dream big my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, ATXZJ said: Dare to dream big my friend. Do you think he's being quiet because he's typing one of those REALLY long replies calling us names and blaming us for everything wrong with the world today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throet Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 hours ago, RidingAgain said: Lots of good productive speaking on this thread... Agree. This is a conversation that needed to happen and it appears to have resulted in a number of people committing to ARR membership. I hope together we can figure out a way to reach the many more who I believe reside outside of this forum but still enjoy our trails. As HB stated earlier, if you are riding free trails in Greater Austin, you should feel a commitment to support this group with a minimum of $39 per year, and more if you can afford. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, throet said: Agree. This is a conversation that needed to happen and it appears to have resulted in a number of people committing to ARR membership. I hope together we can figure out a way to reach the many more who I believe reside outside of this forum but still enjoy our trails. As HB stated earlier, if you are riding free trails in Greater Austin, you should feel a commitment to support this group with a minimum of $39 per year, and more if you can afford. I share their info on FB and with people I ride with. Unfortunately too many people prefer to use things for free and have no desire to help in any way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 13 hours ago, TheX said: Unfortunately too many people prefer to use things for free and have no desire to help in any way. In my quest to assume people are good, I hope that this statement isn't true. I hope that it is more an educational problem than a character flaw in our fellow riders. A lot of people just don't know where our trails come from or who maintains them. For example there was an ever growing face slapper on a trail near my house. The trail tread was slowly widening as people rode around the branch. NOBODY would stop to cut the branch back. Was everyone lazy and unwilling to give back to the trail, or did they think they needed a city permit or an organized trail work day to cut that branch? Or did they think that some city employee was going to handle the problem? So get out there and do some maintenance every now and then and reaffirm my faith in humanity! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Tip said: In my quest to assume people are good, I hope that this statement isn't true. I saw the same thing in other groups I was a member of. I was a VERY active member of a sportbike riders group and was helping new riders learn to be more safe on the road when one of them hit me and damn near killed me. It was maybe 5% of us helping with group activities, and 95% benefiting without any extra effort. I'm finally able to do more normal things so I'll be active this year doing trail work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) My opening comment on this thread was... "Just considering these two membership organizations and wondered how folks out there in Austin mtb land viewed both?" And in a response to a comment by Seth, I explained (see below) in more detail what my thinking was regarding starting this thread.... "Hey Seth... I had a long talk with cxagent about many things Austin mtb related and one of the matters we spoke about was trail building and how mtb riders may look at it these days. Based on what I'm seeing/understanding, ARR may be viewed in one way, and FR512 (and other mtb initiatives) in another way. This can be a good thing for both, or not so good for one... In terms of support (personnel and monetary)... Which both rely on. Although the two organizations may work together on certain things, what I'm seeing is that FR512 seems to be promoting something that comes across as more current/hip/exciting/fun in the mtb world than ARR, which could be somewhat detrimental to ARR. And yet... It seems that ARR is taking care of the foundational necessities that allow mtbing in Austin to be maintained, and grown, on a wider more general public level. Now the two are different organizations with different missions/objectives (apart from the general thought of developing the sport of mountain biking), but in a small community, this kind of situation can often lead to one syphoning off support for the other... Which can then lead to the demise of the one from losing support. In my view, it should be of concern to the Austin mtb community that ARR's website isn't up and running. But I've seen no one talk about it here, except you bringing up in your above comment. In our phone conversation, I told cxagent that I would be willing to help ARR in whatever way I could. To do this, one of the needs I have is to gain a clear/proper understanding of how the local mtb community views all things to do with mtbing in Austin. I started this thread to help me, and possibly others who are also interested, come to a better understanding regarding this particular aspect of the local mtb community. In my experience, initiatives are started in communities with a view to meeting certain identified needs. Which is wonderful. But sometimes as things progress, some already established undertakings can be impacted (often, negatively) by these new efforts. And in the excitment and forward push of the new initiative, this impact is lost in all the related activity. Which is not to say that it was intended... It's just something that can happen. And I'm trying to understand how the initiaves of FR512 — and any other new mtb initiatives — has/will impact ARR." Many comments made on this thread by riders participating on this website, I think — and it seems others think — could be very helpful to both understanding how the two organizations efforts/missions impact each other and impact the wider mtb and even broader general trail users/public community. But for these views to truly be productive they need to be distilled and related to the needs of the wider Austin mtb community. As throet said in his above comment... "I hope together we can figure out a way to reach the many more who I believe reside outside of this forum but still enjoy our trails." Edited January 1, 2019 by RidingAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 And? Which are you joining? I was already an ARR member and just signed up at FR512 yesterday. sent a message to Seth asking about dig days out there. Typed words are cheap, signing up and donating are what's needed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TheX said: And? Which are you joining? Funny how that was omitted from that wall of text. Edited January 1, 2019 by ATXZJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheX said: Typed words are cheap... For me... These following words written by throet should not be viewed as being cheap... "Agree. This is a conversation that needed to happen and it appears to have resulted in a number of people committing to ARR membership. I hope together we can figure out a way to reach the many more who I believe reside outside of this forum but still enjoy our trails. As HB stated earlier, if you are riding free trails in Greater Austin, you should feel a commitment to support this group with a minimum of $39 per year, and more if you can afford." Neither should these following words written by cxagent... "To throet's posts (not quoted here because only a small part is my area) - ARR is promoting mountain biking and mountain biking education anywhere and everywhere possible. But those are other peoples' areas. Trails are my area. My goal for ARR trails is to have mountain biking trails (natural surface, mostly single track) in as many places and areas as possible. We need trails for all ages and abilities including beginner to very advanced. The trails need to be mapped and signed so riders can find them, ride appropriate trails for their skills, and navigate to where they want to go. Not all trails are appropriate for all riders. The trails need to be "sanctioned" by the land owner / land manager so that mountain bikers are not stuck building trails and then forced off of those trails as more numerous / powerful / vocal groups decide they want those trails so the mountain bikers need to be banned. Have you heard there is a regular push to ban mountain bikers from Walnut Creek? Barton Creek? Just about every trail I know of? The relationship we have built with the land owner / land manager is the only thing that keeps us from being banned. Some people have an opinion of mountain bikers that is along the lines of the Banditos motorcycle gang. And to build a good reputation for mountain bikers, we need to educate riders how to deal with other trail users and especially how to deal with the trail feature they don't like. (see my post about Pace Bend tree cutting.) Recent events you might not have heard about - LCRA opened 4 new LCRA parks to mtb. One of them - Pedernales River Nature Park - is so short and flat it can only be considered a beginner trail such a long drive from Austin that I don't predict much use. The other three (McKinney Roughs, Grelle and Shaffer Bend) have HUGE potential. Currently, they are jeep and horse trails that allow MTB. But we are discussing where / how / when to build MTB specific trails. I predict these may be as big a draw as Pace Bend. But each trail will take a long time and lot of effort to change into a destination type trail. After over 5 years of constant nagging, I finally got approval from the City for ARR to maintain the main trail in Barton Creek. OK, we can only do trail work outside of nesting season, but we can at least do trail work 6 months out of the year. Until we got this approval I have to call the City about each and every problem. Then let them figure out they could not find or handle it. Then 2 to 6 months later - go fix the problem myself. ARR got approval to replace the trails at Walnut Creek that were destroyed by the big sidewalk ( I hate to call it an "Urban Trail"). Powerline Flow Trail, Ski Hill Flow Trail, etc. were the result. We had to close the old trails that were conflicting with the big side walk so we tried to make trails that were more fun than the old trails. We built a Kid's Trail in Guerrero Park. It has been temporarily closed by neighborhood complaints. But PARD has said they want to and will work with us to open it again. That may take a while. Governments move s l o w l y. ARR is currently building a new trail in Country Club Creek Greenbelt (see Chardog's post about a work day and my correction). It will be about 4 miles of 'Walnut level' trail that can be ridden to/from by somebody living near downtown or doing an urban ride. Planning has started for a trail along Williamson Creek across all of south Austin. When completed, it will connect Oak Hill in the west to Onion Creek in the east. It will also connect to the "Big Loop" that is planned and being built around all of north Austin but does not (yet) cross the river. This will never be a technical trail. The terrain just is not there. But there may be some technical spots. And it will connect to the Violet Crown Trail which connects the Greenbelt, which connects to ... everything. Speaking of South Austin - ARR is working on getting large sections of the SATN recognized. It will take a while. Did I mention that governments move slowly??? Edited to add - I can't believe I typed all of this and forgot the biggest one - https://austinmountainbiking.com/index.php?/topic/234-new-bcp-public-access-land-management-plan-released/& I won't spend the time typing all ARR does to maintain and keep open the existing sanctioned trails. Let's just say that is a full time job by itself. And much of that effort is working with Land Managers to solve their problems so MTB is recognized as a legitimate and desirable trail user. Anybody seen the Main Creek Crossing or Tar Branch Crossing at Walnut Creek? Yes I rode them before the erosion ditched were filled and I ride them afterwards. But those erosion ditches were problems the land manager needed fixed and did not have a way to fix them. ARR stepped in and solved those problems. So the next time the 'off-leash dog people' complained about the mountain bikers - the land manager defended us. I have not heard they complained again. 😉" But then... That's me. It seems from your own words that you don't think much of the written words of people. Which is unfortunate. Edited January 1, 2019 by RidingAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) Folks... Although there seems to be two people participating on this thread that think comments written on this thread are... "...BS..." and "...cheap..."... Please know that others, along with myself, are certainly appreciative of your giving your honest feedback to the topic. Edited January 1, 2019 by RidingAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I certainly don't think replies by other members are cheap or pointless, etc. I'm talking about you, no one else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I'm done with you, if you want to join a group then do it. If you want to spend your time talking about doing something, that's up to you. You appear to be more interested in talking crap than supporting anything. Have a nice day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingAgain Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 And a happy new year to you also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, RidingAgain said: Folks... Although there seems to be two people participating on this thread that think comments written on this thread are... "...BS..." and "...cheap..."... Please know that others, along with myself, are certainly appreciative of your giving your honest feedback to the topic. No, just your comments. You are "cheap", and your posts/threads result in the same "BS" over and over and are cancerous to any forum you happen to crash into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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