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If I may be so bold to quote a good friend of mine, Silverback from the Mojo days, “there are no more decent people than mountain bikers”. I have to agree with him. I LOVE the friendships I have made from different walks of life and different demographics. It seems that we are all just people in the woods. The honesty & sincerity of those friendships. It is probably what I love most about mountain biking these days. Cheers, Shaner

If I know where you're talking about (pretty sure I do?), It's doable. Gotta hit the line just right, and yes, pull real hard. I'm probably 50/50 on it, try it almost everytime through.

Yep that's it. Here's the line I hit: It ends up being almost a side hop up the ledge. The crack give you a face to stick your front wheel on as you hit it. I have to pretty much completely miss the little bump at the bottom, or else my timing gets thrown off and I just run into the wall real hard, lol.

Same here. I have it down in the video’s direction but have not even crossed my mind the other way. Interesting thought, you do have some momentum, the step up would be at an angle and chain side . then the stupid little baby head in the way. I volunteer to film 😜

Is this the one y'all are talking about going up? If so, it never even occurred to me to try... video or it didn't happen!

I haven't made it this far to blow it all. Wife had open heart surgery and that was a huge ordeal last year. Knowing how covid messes with hearts, I am not about to ruin everything she worked so hard for. Not worth it, unfortunately. We'll see where the jabs line up.

I don't get this argument at all. So you want to limit the population of riders on the trail to: People that know about them Riders that are skilled enough to get there under their own power and ride down them safely Riders that are wealthy enough to afford an e-bike .....and you want to do this so you don't see any other riders on the trails?? Should there be an entrance exam that you have to pass before getting to ride City Park? I'm not trying to be an ass but I really don't understand. We could have made the same argument about suspension, gears, tubeless tires, dropper posts, etc. "As more people put dropper posts on their bikes, more people will start riding all the fun trails." Anyway, it's neither here nor there. e-bikes are here and they are not going away. We can learn how to work them into the biking community so those riders become part of the community (trail work, advocacy, etiquette, etc.) or we can treat them like they don't belong.

I wonder how many mountain bikers are also e-bikers? I have very limited experience, but those e-bikers I have visited with are also regular mountain bikers (maybe a bit long in the tooth) OR are riding with a significant other that benefits from an e-bike. I am actually thinking of getting my wife an e-bike to do social rides with my son & I. Undoubtedly in short order she would understand the etiquette, just like on a golf course. Is it us vs them or us vs. us?

Elon is changing the say things are done...for the better. The progress in austin is incredible.

I have several playlists that have a little bit of everything and I chose one that fits my mood to where or what I’m riding. Not sure how to distinguish between all the genres, but I generally like a driving bass and drums with a guitar and vocals on the side. If I can feel it in my chest, it goes on my hammer playlist.

This should be a thing. Ride and film a feature. Then post it up for others to see the line. I enjoy riding with other types of riders to see what they see vs what i see. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

I told you to quit doing that. You're just encouraging the children....and depressing the shit out of me

Cool, that gives me something new to shoot for when I get back on the bike.

Everyone has the right to their own level of comfort with the virus.

One thing this thread has taught me is how much mountain bikers like Heavy Metal. I'm really not sure why after growing up in the 70s I never caught on with the heavy metal craze of the 80s and 90s. I thoroughly enjoyed the hard rock bands throughout the seventies, but the line between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal started to blur for me some even in the seventies with bands like Black Sabbath, who I never liked in the same way I liked Zeppelin and Floyd. As the Eighties rolled around, my musical tastes veered more into 80s Alternative, although still enjoying the carryover rock bands from the seventies. Some bands, like Van Halen and AC-DC, seemed to blur the lines for me even further, although I enjoyed many tracks from them and others like them. Then there were bands like KISS and Twisted Sister that I just ignored altogether, but I suppose technically those were classified as Shock Rock. Would love to hear from some of you head-banging metal fans on what makes that sub-genre special for you, and whether you equally enjoy hard rock or just tolerate it while yearning for something heavier? Found this article that tries to break it down some. Suppose in the end it doesn't really matter - just listen to what moves you (literally and figuratively). Just curious. Hard Rock Vs. Heavy Metal By: SandraVahtelUpdated September 15, 2017 The close similarities shared by hard rock and heavy metal can make it difficult to identify their differences. Both genres have similar, even at times overlapping, origin stories. Musically, they both include loud guitars, pounding drums, driving rhythms and often vitriolic vocals. However, each genre has its own defining characteristics, from its place in the musical lexicon to the technical specifications of its musicality. Origins rock star image by Mat Hayward from Fotolia.com The 1960s saw the birth and popularization of rock and roll by way of such bands as The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Kinks. Though certainly controversial at the time, the early sounds these bands produced were light and poppy but gave way to a whole host of young musicians armed with guitars and a love for the blues. History vs. History Taxonomically speaking, the classification of hard rock has existed longer than heavy metal, but not by much. Led Zeppelin is often credited as the original hard rock band, followed by such acts as Cream, The Who and Deep Purple. Though similar in sound and scope, and most assuredly influenced directly by hard rock, the origins of heavy metal music trace back to 1970s bands like Black Sabbath and Steppenwolf. The burgeoning of the movement signified a turn from the more melodic hard rock genre into exactly what the name "heavy metal" suggests: heavier sounds and darker themes. Musicology Because hard rock’s musical influences root themselves firmly in the blues, its main musical components often include virtuosic guitar and loose, swaggering bass and drum lines. The genre's most famous guitarists include the likes of Jimmy Page, Pete Townsend and Jimi Hendrix—all standout musicians. While hard rock remains complex and melodic, the musical composition of heavy metal remains simpler, and obviously louder, and features less blues influence—especially in the way of syncopation. Often quite muscular, a heavy metal band’s rhythm section features three main characteristics: speed, power and precision. Fans and Commercialism Some bands—especially Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath—often find themselves lumped into both genres, which causes confusion for those trying to differentiate hard rock from heavy metal. To cut through this confusion, taking a look at other, nonmusical factors can help separate one genre from the other. Many heavy metal bands, because of their less-accessible musical attributes, rarely find commercial success, with the possible exception of a band like Metallica. The same principle does not apply for many hard rock bands, such as Van Halen and Aerosmith, two of the biggest-selling artists of any musical genre, who have won fan bases much broader and much more mainstream than those generally enjoyed by heavy metal bands. Cult Followings Though hard rock has a large share of devotees, its fans lack the type of rabidness often exhibited by heavy metal fans. Many metal bands are assigned a “cult status," thereby making many of their fans, in turn, de facto cult members who adopt lifestyles parallel to that of the bands’ images. Heavy metal's fan base, often considered a “subculture of alienation,” largely comprises young white males who adopt a certain fashion and boast of a separation from the rest of society.

Covid-wise I am not worried about this event. We've been camping a lot this year and we have never felt unsafe. Camping is not issue. I have also participated in group rides. Even doing post ride imbibing in a group circle. We just insure more spacing. So there will be a pretty big circle around the communal fire. But it should work. We just have to be ever diligent about spacing I have yet to read anything about any super spreader OUTDOOR events.

No video...just a *badass bass player*. Seeing him live was truly an unforgettable experience.

I think I'll choose to not be an asshole, and welcome then.

I pray it's neither.

I admit, Seth's recent videos did play a part in re-sparking my interest an interest in my RC hobby.

it is not necessarily about badly behaved people, it is about sheer numbers. If 1/100 bikers can make the climb you limit the population of riders. If anyone with an ebike can make the climb you have greatly expanded the population. You will get more assholes just because you have increased the total number of riders but you also are just increasing the number of asshole riders. When I ride certain trails I might see one other rider. As ebikes become more popular, those trails might become much more popular. The climbs are often hard because of the fitness. That allows people who havent developed the fitness to get to the top and bomb down. I predict a lot more injuries/accidents as well. The one saving grace is that e mountain bikes are very expensive for now.

"These guys" are the co-founder and also builder and Owner of KOM 😉 Like the other builder, FirstBlood said, it didn't exist then. Jammer is much tougher, like many things now. I did clean Jammer on 2 of my 3 most recent rides, it def tough. On the day I video'd that "tour" I managed to clean everything on the first take, that was a pretty rare occurrence then and I think 3 year ago is the last time I had a fully 100% clean ride doing both directions.

Gets me home.

As is all too common lately, this topic is one that divides people that have far more in common than different. Personally, I think it's stupid to imagine that not putting trails on an app like Trailsforks or MTB project is going to prevent them from being discovered. If you want to find out if a trail is there, it's really as easy as driving there and walking around. Anyone that wanted to shut down all those bandit trails that might or might not be out there has the ability to discover them RIGHT NOW so that argument doesn't hold water with me. The idea that putting trails on maps and e-bikes will bring more traffic to the trails is also one I struggle with. We ride those trails....Are WE 'traffic'? This "us" vs. "them" doesn't fly. We all all cyclists looking for a place to enjoy our passion. Why shouldn't 'they' get to ride those trails? @crazyt - I really hope that you don't ever have to repost this. We seem to be able to get trails closed just fine without e-bikes or Trailforks. Maybe we should also look at reposting it when a new trail opens up somewhere because the cycling community is growing?

I've had this done to me on Parmer. Tell your buddy it's actually dangerous for cyclists not just annoying. For a few seconds you have zero visibility and on some roads and some speeds this is a problem. This is my experience as well. I've had some HS kids going the opposite way dart across the center to try to scare me. I stopped, they stopped, I called them back to me making a "diamond" shape with my hands. They kept on moving.

I’m starting to feel the same way. I alternate Deception and SN days to save my body some. I’m moving to the mountains somewhere in 5.5 years and I can’t wait to have long climbs and smoother overall tread (at least what I’ve ridden in CO and NM). We’re all getting older. It’s harder on our bodies and the risk becomes not worth it. I mean I used to look forward to hitting certain features and barreling down them. Now....ehhhhh. I skip stuff and walk stuff and I’m fine with it. These Centex trails will beat a person down over time. It’s been 20 years for me now and I’m pretty much over it... but for a few more years it’s what I got. I still think Deception has value in handling and pure challenge factor, but those 30+ mile SN days where I avoid Deception are much kinder on the body, but more boring (to me). Overall, I’m glad to have all these options really. I think that’s the overarching thing for me.