ATXZJ Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) There is no difference in power. It's completely subjective, in our heads and thats good enough for me. Do you like science? Edited January 10, 2019 by ATXZJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I watched that video and looked at a couple of other search results. I just sold my Computrainer a couple of months ago, but it afforded me pedaling drills with data. I wish I'd tried it with flats just for curiousity's sake. This page shows a picture of the Spinscan graphs: http://www.pedpowerperformlab.com/PedalPower.html Yeah, I'm good with whatever people want to use too. I'd say I'm flat-curious but solidly in the clipless camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotdurt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, AntonioGG said: I could see how you could be equal power/efficiency if the up-stroke is indeed a fallacy. But I can't see how platforms could be more efficient. I would agree, but if one is more effiecient than the other, it's not enough that any of us would really benefit from it, no more than shaving legs, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I was a fairly talented skateboarder in my youth and was comfortable just bailing and landing on my feet. Being clipped in was counterintuitive to this previous muscle memory and i needed to retrain myself to ride clipped in and attached to the bike. For me, I go back and forth to keep myself fresh and not too comfortable with one thing or the next. If im trying to learn something new, im learning, having to adapt/respond, and thats good for someone my age. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamwa Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 14 hours ago, mack_turtle said: only impressive if you have a real ACS rotor and checkered Vans. you must do all that with a full-face helmet as well. What's a helmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, gotdurt said: I'm not arguing that everyone should be riding flats, but to say that flats suck with those arguments is, well, a touch ignorant. when TDF riders start riding flats, Ill believe flats are as efficient as clipless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) I'm holding out until TDF riders start riding mountain bikes. Otherwise there's not much to compare between what they do and what I do. Apples and Oranges. Edited January 10, 2019 by Ridenfool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxagent Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, olddbrider said: The real question is... Spandex vs baggies? Oh BS. Only an idiot would say that. Everybody knows the real questions is - Ford vs Chevy. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ridenfool said: I'm holding out until TDF riders start riding mountain bikes. Otherwise there's not much to compare between what they do and what I do. Apples and Oranges. lol well you both ride bicycles so...... maybe green apples to red apples is more appropriate. 🙂 Edited January 10, 2019 by Seths Pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: lol well you both ride bicycles so...... maybe green apples to red apples is more appropriate. 🙂 You probably think that riding ten miles of road equals riding ten miles of trail as well. This might help explain your perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ridenfool said: You probably think that riding ten miles of road equals riding ten miles of trail as well. This might help explain your perspective. yes, the distance is the same. you are right. ya got me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) It must be a blissful experience to only ever consider the lowest common denominator. Edited January 10, 2019 by Ridenfool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I know you are but what am I? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Ridenfool said: It must be a blissful experience for you. LMAO. intentional stupidity can sometimes be humor the eludes people 😉 try to keep up bro! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: LMAO. intentional stupidity can sometimes be humor the eludes people 😉 try to keep up bro! I just started on my coffee, I'll wake up in a couple of hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Go to a bmx race and you'll notice most everyone in the intermediate and expert classes are clipped. They're a definite power advantage coming out of the gate and down the first straight. They also make it easier to keep you're feet on the pedals when bouncing through a steep and deep whoop section at warp speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JRA said: Go to a bmx race and you'll notice most everyone in the intermediate and expert classes are clipped. They're a definite power advantage coming out of the gate and down the first straight. They also make it easier to keep you're feet on the pedals when bouncing through a steep and deep whoop section at warp speed. id say the majority of pros/higher classes in almost all biking disciplines (road, XC, enduro, even downhill racing) (except trick disciplines) ride clipless. of course you have your exceptions like Sam Hill and stuff but as far as a numbers game clipless rules the roost. I could be wrong but I dont think I am I wonder why Edited January 10, 2019 by Seths Pool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRA Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Watch lane 1 come unclipped out of the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JRA said: Go to a bmx race and you'll notice most everyone in the intermediate and expert classes are clipped. They're a definite power advantage coming out of the gate and down the first straight. They also make it easier to keep you're feet on the pedals when bouncing through a steep and deep whoop section at warp speed. More a technical advantage for some riders than power as you describe it. Same reason toe clips were invented. But they didn't have 5Tens and pins on the flats back then either. There are certainly applications for either or both pedals. They are interchangeable in the realm of most common MTB applications and personal preference seems to be the most significant deciding factor, rather than some clear advantage of one over the other. Edited January 10, 2019 by Ridenfool 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: id say the majority of pros/higher classes in almost all biking disciplines (road, XC, enduro, even downhill racing) (except trick disciplines) ride clipless. of course you have your exceptions like Sam Hill and stuff but as far as a numbers game clipless rules the roost. I could be wrong but I dont think I am I wonder why This is certainly my observation as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: id say the majority of pros/higher classes in almost all biking disciplines (road, XC, enduro, even downhill racing) (except trick disciplines) ride clipless. of course you have your exceptions like Sam Hill and stuff but as far as a numbers game clipless rules the roost. I could be wrong but I dont think I am I wonder why Likewise, most mountain bikers (all riders) probably ride flats. Pondering upon the why works here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Seths Pool said: id say the majority of pros/higher classes in almost all biking disciplines (road, XC, enduro, even downhill racing) (except trick disciplines) ride clipless. of course you have your exceptions like Sam Hill and stuff but as far as a numbers game clipless rules the roost. I could be wrong but I dont think I am I wonder why 2 minutes ago, Ridenfool said: Likewise, most mountain bikers (all riders) probably ride flats. Pondering upon the why works here too. I dont understand your response. what are you saying exactly? are you saying the opposite of what I said in that the majority of riders ride flats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Most people who ride bicycles, even mountain bikers on trails, don't care about being "serious" enough to buy into fredly accoutrements like fancy shorts, special pedals, and power-measuring devices. They just buy a bike and ride it. People like us who are even familiar with the concept of watts as it applies to riding a bicycle are a tiny sliver of the population. Edited January 10, 2019 by mack_turtle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seths Pool Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, mack_turtle said: Most people who ride bicycles, even mountain bikers on trails, don't care about being "serious" enough to buy into fredly accoutrements like fancy shorts, special pedals, and power-measuring devices. They just buy a bike and ride it. People like us who are even familiar with the concept of watts as it applies to riding a bicycle are a tiny sliver of the population. understood. but we know who we are talking about. not children, the elderly, and every day commuters or whatever. so what do you guys wanna debate about next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tip Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 hours ago, cxagent said: Oh BS. Only an idiot would say that. Everybody knows the real questions is - Ford vs Chevy. 😉 Nope. The REAL question? This: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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