4fun Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The second picture just looks like damaged rim tape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Manufacturing defect. That looks like they didn't get a good coat of resin in that area. No way a plastic tire tool should scratch through a rim. I would push the issue with them. I have Reynolds. I landed hard off a drop on a rock and busted the sidewall out. All I had to do was send them the wheel. They replaced a new rim and shipped it back at no cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 42 minutes ago, 4fun said: The second picture just looks like damaged rim tape. I can see a small hole in the weave, but yeah...mostly rim tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circuitbreaker Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 seems like a manufacturing defect. manufacturer should replace for free. Most manufacturers have a 'crash replacement' program where it costs $300-400 to replace the rim. I think the major exception is Santa Cruz Reserve, which will cover any damage for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, circuitbreaker said: I think the major exception is Santa Cruz Reserve, which will cover any damage for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) it's a good thing Danny didn't take a plastic tire lever to that rim. think of the carnage that would have taken place! Edited January 13, 2021 by mack_turtle 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, mack_turtle said: it's a good thing Danny didn't take a plastic tire lever to that rim. think of the carnage that would have taken place! You just made my day, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBaron Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Ask them to send you a new rim. Then you have it re-laced into the wheel here locally. Even if its crash replacement, it would save some on shipping and such. So much about tire install is technique. Back when I was a regular shop worker in college, we'd have contests in the back to see who could get a tire on or off without tire levers. The old grizzly mechanics would beat us all every time. Now that i've become fairly grizzly myself I can do it 90% of the time. And to take this further....trying removing and mounting a big stiff MX tire! Holy crap is was a beast the first time (or 2) I did it. Initial time took me 6hrs of working through it. This included food breaks, phone calls, videos and resting in exacerbation. Flash forward a few years and I was changing a tire by the side of my truck before an MX race while it was 45* outside. I got it done in about 20 minutes. All that said, sometimes its also about the specific combo of parts your assembling too. The early Stans Crest where actually made with an inner rim diameter that was a tad oversized. THOSE RIMS ARE A BITCH TO SEAT A TIRE ON! I'm still running them on my gravel bike and I dread tire changes. Later, CJB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, circuitbreaker said: I think the major exception is Santa Cruz Reserve, which will cover any damage for free. As someone with 10k miles on the SC Reserve rims, I'm aware that they will only cover damage sustained while riding. If you run over it with a truck, then they'll give you a cost-replacement. But I bet they'd cover plastic lever damage as well. 12 minutes ago, CBaron said: So much about tire install is technique. Back when I was a regular shop worker in college, we'd have contests in the back to see who could get a tire on or off without tire levers. My thinking has changed on this a little. I used to never use levers. I'd put the bead in the middle of the rim, and pop it in the usual way. But I have found that using a large plastic lever often lets you install the tire without pushing the bead to the center. And this allows for easier bead seating and inflation later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The main reason I avoid tire levers if I can is that sometimes that results in the tape getting damaged. But I don't run any inserts. It seems to me if you run inserts, you're forced to use levers. Going back to carbon and pre-preg, I can't stand the arrogant pompous guy, but there's this Hambini guy on YouTube that rails on manufacturers of bike stuff, one thing being on carbon frames and such with poor quality including voids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, AntonioGG said: I can't stand the arrogant pompous guy, but there's this Hambini guy on YouTube that rails on manufacturers of bike stuff, one thing being on carbon frames and such with poor quality including voids. I love him, and how he holds their feet to the fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanerpvt Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, CBaron said: Ask them to send you a new rim. Then you have it re-laced into the wheel here locally. Even if its crash replacement, it would save some on shipping and such. Sound logic. This is what I ultimately decided on. Just send the email to change my order. Next, any recommendations on who to build the wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBaron Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Shanerpvt said: Sound logic. This is what I ultimately decided on. Just send the email to change my order. Next, any recommendations on who to build the wheel? @Mattlikesbikes ....any chance you are around and wanting to build some wheels? Matt was the HH wheel builder when I owned the shop and one of the best I've seen. But he's all grown up now with kids and a family along with real obligations. Not sure if he's building any wheels. After Matt moved to Dallas we sub'd out our wheel building to James (formerly from Jack & Adams). James went on to run the area Velofix mobile mechanics in the Austin area. But I'm not sure if he's still doing that or not. Someone where will have the details and/or his contact info. Later, CJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAF Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, CBaron said: @Mattlikesbikes ....any chance you are around and wanting to build some wheels? Matt was the HH wheel builder when I owned the shop and one of the best I've seen. But he's all grown up now with kids and a family along with real obligations. Not sure if he's building any wheels. After Matt moved to Dallas we sub'd out our wheel building to James (formerly from Jack & Adams). James went on to run the area Velofix mobile mechanics in the Austin area. But I'm not sure if he's still doing that or not. Someone where will have the details and/or his contact info. Later, CJB James Valentine? He is still here - lives in Allandale. Still with Velofix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yeah James (Balentine) is the guy. He built several wheelsets for me and they all stayed true for their full life. I'm not the craziest rider so I may not be the best judge on this, but I think he does awesome work. https://www.velofix.com If you are on Facebook you can find him directly, otherwise go through the Velofix site and make sure you are dealing with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssorgs Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 3:18 PM, CBaron said: So much about tire install is technique. Not sure if I came up with this on my own, but I've been clamping the tire on either side of that last ~10" using a pair of plastic spring clamps - see sketch. They squeeze the beads together/towards channel and prevent the bead from backing out if you let go before seating. Sometimes I still need to use a (pedros) lever, but not too often and it's still easier. My main concern with using a lever is tearing my rim strip. Another bonus is you can flip it over and 'stand' it on the clamps when adding sealant. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, ssorgs said: Not sure if I came up with this on my own, but I've been clamping the tire on either side of that last ~10" using a pair of plastic spring clamps - see sketch. They squeeze the beads together/towards channel and prevent the bead from backing out if you let go before seating. Sometimes I still need to use a (pedros) lever, but not too often and it's still easier. My main concern with using a lever is tearing my rim strip. Another bonus is you can flip it over and 'stand' it on the clamps when adding sealant. That's a brilliant idea! Probably more important with the very stiff sidewall tires and in rims with a shallower center channel. I usually start squeezing the tire from the bottom and move on up on either side, with upward pulling force on the tire (taking the slack), but for sure on some tires even this is challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanerpvt Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Would this still work with an insert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssorgs Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Shanerpvt said: Would this still work with an insert? Never tried, but if they're compressible enough to compress with clamps... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 You can also use a toe clip strap to keep the tire place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shanerpvt said: Would this still work with an insert? The vittoria will compress enough to get the beads in. Installed the M on the back of my trailbike with 30mm carbon hoops and 2.35s. My park bike had a L insert with a 2.5 minion SS with wire bead and DH carcass on a 35mm rim. A bit of work but it went on without carnage. @ssorgs good idea on the clamps! I've used these dewalts for just about everything. Edited January 15, 2021 by ATXZJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlikesbikes Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Yep, still building wheels. New job is super flexible and frees me up for pretty quick turn around on builds. Available anytime. mattlikesbikes at thegoooglemail 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 2:40 PM, Chief said: You can also use a toe clip strap to keep the tire place. Years ago I watched a video of an old guy doing this with a notoriously hard to install commuter tire using zero hand strength. I can't find the video for anything now, but it's been my go-to method since. I don't own a tire lever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 fun story: being a penny-pincher, I bought some Nukeproof ARD inserts because they were a mere $50 for the pair. as I expected, they fit loose and then stretch a bit, causing them to rattle in your tires. it's not a big deal but it's annoying. yesterday, I pulled them out to install my tire on a new front wheel and downsized the inserts by cutting a 1" segment out of the foam and glued them back together. they fit much better now. I also installed the Spec Purgatory 2.35" tire with an insert on a Flow rim using just my hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circuitbreaker Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 any update on the original post? is the manufacturer going to replace the rim or wheel for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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