Bart Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I love my Scott Spark but when it comes to climbing these hoops are pigs. It came with pretty wide Synchros which are really low end DT's hubs, and at 1970gr a w/set, they gotta go. Looking for something wide, good engagement and not $2000. I don't really race anymore but might do an occasional endurance event. Mostly CenTex trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Enve. Don't buy them. Build a set of hoops with the parts you want. DT swiss XM481s with 350 hubs will last a long, long time out here and are stiff/light enough to feel a difference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 DT Swiss E1700's with 350 hubs. Not the fanciest but get the job done and not too heavy. If I was building a wheel I would go with ATXJ's suggestion and get XM481's and 350 hubs are bombproof! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, rockshins said: DT Swiss E1700's with 350 hubs. Not the fanciest but get the job done and not too heavy. If I was building a wheel I would go with ATXJ's suggestion and get XM481's and 350 hubs are bombproof! I have XM481's with Hope pro4 hubs on my hardtail. They were on a set of 350 hubs previously. These rims have been on 3 different bikes and are still going strong. Will be building a set of RR481's on 350 hubs for my gravel bike probably this week sometime. Hubs and hoops get here tomorrow. Just need to get spokes. And yes XM481's with 350 hubs are bombproof. Mine are 28 hole and I weigh 235 geared riding Brushy Creek as my main trail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, rockshins said: DT Swiss E1700's with 350 hubs. Not the fanciest but get the job done and not too heavy. If I was building a wheel I would go with ATXJ's suggestion and get XM481's and 350 hubs are bombproof! Those are probably XR391 hoops. Still a good Wheelset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 These wheels: https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/wheels-mtb/enduro/e-1700-spline/e-1700-spline-30/ OEM on my complete bike, Nukeproof Mega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenfool Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) I bought a set of Spank Oozy Trail 395+ wheels (35mm inside width) purchased to convert from 29 to 27.5+, giving a wider footprint with about the same outside diameter. I've run sets of 3.0 and 2.8 tires on these and overall have been very pleased with the change. The rims are holding up well, I like their Bead Bite system. The rear hub is noisier than I prefer and engagement isn't bad, but there are better out there. It seems to be durable. With a great price for the wheelset ($489) I could have any of a number of higher end hubs with more engagement points laced in and still be very happy with the value. Check out their various wheel choices and you might be tempted to Spank your Spark. Edited September 19, 2019 by Ridenfool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinBike Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, rockshins said: These wheels: https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/wheels-mtb/enduro/e-1700-spline/e-1700-spline-30/ OEM on my complete bike, Nukeproof Mega My new bike had the DT Swiss 1900 spline wheels. Counterintuitive, but the higher number are lower grade. Only had a few rides in but fine so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockshins Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I didn't know that, that is counterintuitive, but I guess it goes along with their hubs with the pros running their 240's and me on my 350's. Seem to be solid wheels, have hit several rocks and they are just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamsloan Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 For $1355, you could get a set of i9 Enduro 305’s. 30.5 inner width and about the fastest engagement there is. It’s not a huge drop in weight, but they’re sweet wheels.I love a good set of DT wheels though, best bang for your buck hubs ever.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATXZJ Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 starbike.com has been my source for DT on the cheap. So far, no issues with receiving goods but always recommend using paypal just in case. https://www.starbike.com/en/dt-swiss-xm-481-29/ https://www.starbike.com/en/dt-swiss-competition-spoke-j-bend-black/ https://www.starbike.com/en/dt-swiss-350-rear-hub-disc-6-hole-j-bend/# 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 You said not $2k but not sure what your limit is. I bought my bike used from a well-known local endurance racer and it came with Nox Composite wheels and DT240s (I don't think I would have otherwise sprung for carbon wheels then). I love the design of my Chris King hubs better, but these 240s seem to be bulletproof and from what I understand, so are the 350 hubs. You can get a built custom (decal color, nipple color, spokes) carbon wheelset with DT350 hubs from noxcomposites.com for <$1400. You can also send them your current hubs and they'll build a wheelset with them. The wheels are hand-built in Tennessee. So far my wheels are lasting me through evertyhing I've put them through not to mention what the previous owner put them through, but when I need new wheels, I'm going to go back to Nox for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I built a KOM i25 front on a Giant branded hub. Should have gone wider, but it works. Rear build is a Frequentcy Team i25 on a Hadley hub. The hub is kinda heavy but strong. Might have chosen a Hope hub if I had to build it again. I'll probably keep this hub for years and years and build it with a wider rim at some point. I don't buy wheels because I enjoy chosing the parts and lacing them up myself. It's not as hard as some people make it out to be, but you have to take your time and do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I've been lacing wheels for 30+ years. Started with motorcycle wheels as a kid helping my dad in the '70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyal Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheX said: I've been lacing wheels for 30+ years. Started with motorcycle wheels as a kid helping my dad in the '70s. I've been doing the same with halloween candy. Nothing builds that father-son bond like drugging unsuspecting kids together. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, notyal said: I've been doing the same with halloween candy. Nothing builds that father-son bond like drugging unsuspecting kids together. And they say dads aren't raising their kids properly these days...well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fontarin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) I'll throw in a shout out for a local wheel builder/company - Solid wheels from what I've seen and I'll probably get my next set from them. https://www.dirtcomponents.com/29-36-1mm-rc-1 Other options: Roval makes both a ligher (1700ish g) and a heavier (1800g) version of carbon wheels. They just announced a 2 year replacement warranty, so even if you crash and break, they'll provide a rim replacement. Both have DT Swiss hubs. https://rovalcomponents.com/collections/trail/products/traverse-carbon https://rovalcomponents.com/collections/trail/products/2019-traverse-sl Bontrager makes some decent carbon wheels too with same warranty (I think): https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/cycling-components/bike-wheels/c/E209/ Edited September 19, 2019 by fontarin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fontarin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Also, if you want to go to something like a 2.5 WT or 2.6, something around 35mm internal seems to be ideal. Not sure if tires that big would fit on a Spark though clearance-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamwa Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Stans Crest $500. Since Oct 2011. Super lightweight. No problems. Can't see spending the loot y'all are talking bout, but it's your hobby go nuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fontarin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Yeah, there are plenty of aluminum options out there if you want to go cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack_turtle Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Crests are generally considered super-light XC race wheels for lightweight riders. I'm 160 pounds and I dented the hell of a rear Crest is short order riding in Georgia, which is much less rocky. YMMV and all that, but most people riding CenTex terrain would be wise to avoid them in favor of something wider, stiffer, and stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Bamwa said: Stans Crest $500. Since Oct 2011. Super lightweight. No problems. Can't see spending the loot y'all are talking bout, but it's your hobby go nuts. Because since 2011 I've bent, dented and otherwise destroyed at least 6 rims, and about 15 or so rear hubs--including a shit-ton of Stan's rims and hubs. But since February I've put 3.7K miles on my Santa Cruz Reserve37/I9 combo and it hasn't so much as come out of true. And when I do manage to kill the rim, they'll replace it. So far I'm at about 48 cents per mile. https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/reserve-wheels-info Quote Lifetime Warranty Lifetime. No gimmicks. Not limited. If you do actually manage to break our rim while out riding, we'll replace it for free. And probably high five you in the process! If it gets run over by a truck we'll help you out with a low cost accidental 'crash replacement', because life's too short to argue. We know riding time's too precious to keep you waiting, so we'll do our best to sort you out fast. I suppose they'll send me that high five in mail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fontarin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, mack_turtle said: Crests are generally considered super-light XC race wheels for lightweight riders. I'm 160 pounds and I dented the hell of a rear Crest is short order riding in Georgia, which is much less rocky. YMMV and all that, but most people riding CenTex terrain would be wise to avoid them in favor of something wider, stiffer, and stronger. Yeah, I had some Crests a few years ago that were pretty flimsy on rocks, but I know they've recently made some improvements (or so I've heard) so I wasn't going to judge the new version. They are XC wheels though, and for general riding I'd go with something a little burlier/wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioGG Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) I had 355's, they were so noodly with my powertap hub and I could not keep them true, so-so with my Chris King hubs but I dented one. Then got a flow to replace that one. Cracked that one within months. I'm generally not hard on bike equipment so I was surprised--especially with cracking the Flow (one of the earlier flows). I've laced my own, bought the spokes I like (wheelsmith, also made in the USA), with the nipples I like and using whatever hub I have on hand. Edited September 19, 2019 by AntonioGG *could not keep them true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongo Loco Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Barry said: Because since 2011 I've bent, dented and otherwise destroyed at least 6 rims, and about 15 or so rear hubs--including a shit-ton of Stan's rims and hubs. But since February I've put 3.7K miles on my Santa Cruz Reserve37/I9 combo and it hasn't so much as come out of true. And when I do manage to kill the rim, they'll replace it. So far I'm at about 48 cents per mile. https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/reserve-wheels-info I suppose they'll send me that high five in mail. I was reading a bunch of posts on SC owners' Farcebook page about reserves recently. There's always a bunch of knuckle draggers that break everything and piss and moan about speed of warranty claims, but the general consensus was they stand up to the warranty without question on the reserves, and most were riding within a week. This was even on overseas posts. Pretty impressive. Just can't justify the expense on the wheels yet. I eventually break frames not wheels. 😞 I found on frames it's the shop not SC that makes the difference. BSS did great on mine. Edited September 19, 2019 by Chongo Loco 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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